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sure, he said president obama didn't raise taxes, and president obama didn't raise taxes, but really, mitt romney officially thinks that he did. they have done this over and over and over and over again, on big issues like health reform, on small issues like whether he met a guy or not. and it is a ridiculous technique. i mean, think about what this means for the long run. i mean, the romney campaign is training the country to not believe this guy when he is talking. they're training the country to feel that, you know, wherever you hear mitt romney saying something today, don't worry, it doesn't really matter. it is all subject to revision later. long-term, this is a weird technique. it has been a strange political technique from the get-go this year. but mostly, it has worked for them. them correcting the record later on to a smaller audience has mostly worked. so they just keep doing it. and they have kept getting away with it. but now, as of today, they have seemed to have gone too far to get away with it anymore. this is what mitt romney told "the des moines register" editorial bo
sure, he said president obama didn't raise taxes, and president obama didn't raise taxes, but really, mitt romney officially thinks that he did. they have done this over and over and over and over again, on big issues like health reform, on small issues like whether he met a guy or not. and it is a ridiculous technique. i mean, think about what this means for the long run. i mean, the romney campaign is training the country to not believe this guy when he is talking. they're training the...
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he was right in saying 47% don't pay income taxes. you talk about lifting those people up so they can make it in america. that's what they want. they want to become taxpayers, and that's where he was totally wrong and tonal deaf. that's why i said that night, they're not victims. >> but his response right now is saying he was dplecompletely wr which is different than what he said earlier, saying he stated it ineloquently. >> i think what he was saying is he was completely wrong in speaking pejoratively of the 47%, and he was wrong to do that. he is wrong about the basic economics of our country. but we have gotten to a point where the country is paying no income taxes and taking advantage of the role of government. does that mean too high, too low? that's a good argument to get into. >> i'm utterly confused right now. >> you're only confused because he's trying to explain the comment from mitt romney, and now ari is trying to explain the new comment from mitt romney where he was very clear in saying he was wrong. ari, there is no need
he was right in saying 47% don't pay income taxes. you talk about lifting those people up so they can make it in america. that's what they want. they want to become taxpayers, and that's where he was totally wrong and tonal deaf. that's why i said that night, they're not victims. >> but his response right now is saying he was dplecompletely wr which is different than what he said earlier, saying he stated it ineloquently. >> i think what he was saying is he was completely wrong in...
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$5 trillion in tax cuts that he can't pay for? not if i've got anything to say about it. >>> plus, a tea party group accused of hovering and getting into faces is under fire. congressman cummings is demanding answers. he's here exclusively. >>> and live from new york, it's me, our friends at "snl" took on yours truly and the msnbc team. oh, yeah, i've got something to say about it. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. >> it's a mile below the earth so for him, speaking to colorado was like being flown two miles into the air and having to give a speech in outer space. an intense burning sensation i woke up with this horrible rash on my right side. like somebody had set it on fire. and the doctor said, cindie, you have shingles. he said, you had chickenpox when you were a little girl... i said, yes, i did. i don't think anybody ever thinks they're going to get shingles. but it happened to me. for more of the inside story, visit shinglesinfo.com mom? who's mom? i'm the giants mascot. eat up! new jammin jerk chicken soup has tas
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benefits and tax entitlements and special tax treatments across the entire code lower tax rates it seems to me, was a very effective political stand. he articulated extremely well as pat said. it was very sub studentive performance. he said it in a very organized and clear way. i think he was extraordinarily more effective than anybody anticipated, and the president, for whatever reason, was just not in the game. >> why was obama thrown off balance? >> i call it the second-term blahs, john. you've seen this happen with other presidents running for reelection. it's the kind of a job where you're constantly having people, really, you know, yes- men and yes-women surrounding you, and you kind of get out of practice on standing up there and telling someone who is telling you to your face that you're ruining the country. obama's conflict of verse -- obama is conflict averse, anyway, when it comes to directly confronting people. he should be well familiar from being out there on the stump. he was giving these elongated answers, complex, compound sentences instead of just saying, mr. romney, yo
benefits and tax entitlements and special tax treatments across the entire code lower tax rates it seems to me, was a very effective political stand. he articulated extremely well as pat said. it was very sub studentive performance. he said it in a very organized and clear way. i think he was extraordinarily more effective than anybody anticipated, and the president, for whatever reason, was just not in the game. >> why was obama thrown off balance? >> i call it the second-term...
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he is right in saying that 47% of the country pays no income taxes. that's a fact. but conservetism means you talk hope. you talk about lifting people up so they can make it in america. they want to become taxpayers. that's where he was tonal deaf. >> but his response now is saying he was completely wrong which is different than what he said earlier which is like well, i stated it inelegantly. he's now using this blanket statement which allows people to interpret it as they will. >> i think what he is saying there is he was completely wrong to speak pejoratively of the 47% and he was completely wrong to do that. he is right about the basic economics of our country. >> okay. >> we have gotten to the point where the country is half paying no income taxes and getting the advantages of government. >> roland -- >> does that mean it's the right number, too high, too low, that's a good argument to get into. >> i'm utterly confused right now. i'm utterly confused because ari is trying to explain the original comment from mitt romney which i thought mitt romney was very clea
he is right in saying that 47% of the country pays no income taxes. that's a fact. but conservetism means you talk hope. you talk about lifting people up so they can make it in america. they want to become taxpayers. that's where he was tonal deaf. >> but his response now is saying he was completely wrong which is different than what he said earlier which is like well, i stated it inelegantly. he's now using this blanket statement which allows people to interpret it as they will. >>...
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america considering where we were and these folks want it take us back to deregulation, giving more tax breaks to the wealthiest americans. this is right in the wheel house of joe bbiden. the fact that they're down playing the fact of how much debate experience paul ryan has is just window dressing. i've seen joe biden so many times on the stump in person, he stands up, he gets riled up. this will be a little bit more controlled and i think a lot more centered to the facts. but expect paul ryan to come out and lie just as much as mitt romney did last week. that's what i expect. >> the swing voters as well as the base, to they expect more about substance or style? >> first of all, no one in this country has made the case that vice president joe biden has done a bad job. the country knows who this man is. they know his background, they know he didn't go to the united states senate to be a millionaire. he went there to work on behalf of the people. so there's a lot of people that will expect a lot out of joe biden because they know who he is. but he'll be presenting the case that where we
america considering where we were and these folks want it take us back to deregulation, giving more tax breaks to the wealthiest americans. this is right in the wheel house of joe bbiden. the fact that they're down playing the fact of how much debate experience paul ryan has is just window dressing. i've seen joe biden so many times on the stump in person, he stands up, he gets riled up. this will be a little bit more controlled and i think a lot more centered to the facts. but expect paul ryan...
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. >> you can do that by cutting taxes? >> those are your words, not mine. >> thank you very much, sir. >> that was kind of strange. trying to stuff words in people's mouths? >> it it sounds like you're -- >> ryan folks putting the paper in front of the camera and everything. vice presidential nominee paul ryan getting annoyed in this interview with terry camp in flint, michigan. the campaign even after the interview was over still went out of their way to trash the reporter that paul ryan walked out of that interview on. the campaign given on the record quotes calling the reporter an embarrassment. the city where that reporter works and where that interview took place does have the worst violent crime rate in the nation. so that line of questioning here for mr. ryan was understandable. maybe even predictable. but beyond the newsworthiness of paul ryan getting up and taking off his microphone and ending the interview and beyond the newsworthiness of the campaign going after this reporter, there was what that reporter was ab
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tax cuts. a guy who says we shouldn't be having mission creep in libya but wants mission creep in syria. he's been on all sides of the issues. >> that's just in the last week. >> the president needs to just say these things, it's not obvious to people watching on tv. when you're in a debate it's helpful to talk about it at that time rather than in the rallies afterwards. the jobs question is very interesting. he's trying to convince people in ohio where the unemployment rate is lower than the national average, which already is coming down -- >> in a place where the president's plan to save the auto industry actually protected many jobs. >> so in the face of all the evidence around them, and you can argue about economic statistics as much as you like, but people know their own economy and their own lives. he's trying to put against that by saying there are joshs in the ground we will dig up presumagely by pulling away from environmental regulations. he's talking really about fracking. that's his
tax cuts. a guy who says we shouldn't be having mission creep in libya but wants mission creep in syria. he's been on all sides of the issues. >> that's just in the last week. >> the president needs to just say these things, it's not obvious to people watching on tv. when you're in a debate it's helpful to talk about it at that time rather than in the rallies afterwards. the jobs question is very interesting. he's trying to convince people in ohio where the unemployment rate is...
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and other taxes and at an effective rate higher than romney pays his taxes. over 10% of them are senior citizens on social security. the rest are disabled vets and veterans and military personnel fighting now. that's the 47%. the 47%, this nation depends on to build this country. folks, it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. [ cheers and applause ] take some responsibility to help the american people, the middle class. instead of lining up to sign a pledge to a guy named grover in order kwis. >> ezra, i have to say for me one of my favorite moments in the debate was with him pointing out the effective rate romney pays compared to what other people in the real world pay. i'm not sure how many people jumped on that a as their favorite moment but. >> you and me, lawrence. >> but biden is finding more effective ways of isolating that romney tax return 14% number. >> it wasn't just that. biden i thought actually figured out what obama didn't figure out a week before which is how to deal with the ryan/romney ticket on taxes, medicare and social
and other taxes and at an effective rate higher than romney pays his taxes. over 10% of them are senior citizens on social security. the rest are disabled vets and veterans and military personnel fighting now. that's the 47%. the 47%, this nation depends on to build this country. folks, it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. [ cheers and applause ] take some responsibility to help the american people, the middle class. instead of lining up to sign a pledge to a guy named...
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that would simply drive up deficits or drive up costs on middle class americans by ladling on more tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. the other thing that i think is going to be at stake in this race is i think you're going to hear a robust discussion about the common good, about what's best for all of us, about what sort of choices we need to make that are consistent with the dignity of every human person, with consistent with the dignity of work, the common good, the protection of god's creation. i think this is going to be a debate that the vice president has been preparing really all his life for. it's going to be i think a very historic night and a very sharp contrast between vice president biden's vision for an america where there is more opportunity and congressman ryan who wants to bring us a country of less. >> shep: the maryland governor, democrat, good of you to be here. thank youment our coveraged continues enroute to mr. o'reilley i'm like...yeah, o. little did i know that one week later i wasn't smoking. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to
that would simply drive up deficits or drive up costs on middle class americans by ladling on more tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. the other thing that i think is going to be at stake in this race is i think you're going to hear a robust discussion about the common good, about what's best for all of us, about what sort of choices we need to make that are consistent with the dignity of every human person, with consistent with the dignity of work, the common good, the protection of...
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i don't have that tax plan. you want to believe me, your lying eyes here. come on. >> the obama campaign wants to use more of the big dog and less of big bird, you might say. cynthia tucker is from the university of georgia. cynthia, it always brings our spirits up to see bill clinton. he finds that this guy is a bit of a con artist and he's reinvested the old massachusetts governor for the purpose of 90 minutes and reversed to the old bad stuff, the minute that nobody is really looking. >> and, chris, he explains all that in terms that people understand. he does it with a smile on his face. he doesn't seem in any way mean or harsh or vindictive. he seems funny, which is -- it's also clear that bill clinton is having a good time. he enjoys being on the campaign trail. he enjoys politics in a way that i don't think president obama does. and this gives him a great excuse for the first time in four years to be out with political crowds which he loves. and he's having a great time doing it. >> i think that the president doesn't know that there's music in politi
i don't have that tax plan. you want to believe me, your lying eyes here. come on. >> the obama campaign wants to use more of the big dog and less of big bird, you might say. cynthia tucker is from the university of georgia. cynthia, it always brings our spirits up to see bill clinton. he finds that this guy is a bit of a con artist and he's reinvested the old massachusetts governor for the purpose of 90 minutes and reversed to the old bad stuff, the minute that nobody is really looking....
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if you're part of the republican consensus that says no new taxes even for the wealthiest americans, how in the world do you pay for that, and what does that 4% of gdp towards defense that we don't need, what does that do to our deficit? after all the foundation of our national security is our economic security and we have to remember that. >> thanks for your time tonight, michele. i'd like to have you back another night. >> thanks. i would be happy to do that. >> we'll be right back. >>> in election season, pundits follow the campaigns, but political scientists don't necessarily follow the campaigns. some of them instead follow this. one of the lousier determinist theories holds it doesn't matter how much the candidates are, it's really the price of gas that determines who wins the election. this theory has basically been debunked, but it is still repeated a lot any way. in the great state of california right now, gas is the most expensive it has ever been. ever. the average price of a gallon of gas in california is $4.67. you could pay as much as $6.65 per gallon. it happened all o
if you're part of the republican consensus that says no new taxes even for the wealthiest americans, how in the world do you pay for that, and what does that 4% of gdp towards defense that we don't need, what does that do to our deficit? after all the foundation of our national security is our economic security and we have to remember that. >> thanks for your time tonight, michele. i'd like to have you back another night. >> thanks. i would be happy to do that. >> we'll be...
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>>> taxes, education, reproductive rights when you're mitt romney what's wrong with a little change of heart? it's wednesday, october 10th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor michael eric dyson, the golden throat. the host of msnbc's the cycle steve kornacki, msnbc contributor and queen bee of thegrio.com joy reid and new york times magazine editor mr. sunday morning himself, hugo lingren. there are 27 days to the election, meaning we still have time for 27 new and exciting policy shifts from governor mitt romney. and who better than the country's explainer in chief to outline the paradox of the mittens. >> i had a different reaction to that first debate than a lot of people did. i mean, i thought -- i thought wow. here's old moderate mitt. where you been, boy? i missed you all these last two years. >> call it the merry go mitt. governor romney has completed a full 360-degree rotation, changing his views so many times on -- so many times on some of his core beliefs that he's right back to where he started decades ago. he
>>> taxes, education, reproductive rights when you're mitt romney what's wrong with a little change of heart? it's wednesday, october 10th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor michael eric dyson, the golden throat. the host of msnbc's the cycle steve kornacki, msnbc contributor and queen bee of thegrio.com joy reid and new york times magazine editor mr. sunday morning himself, hugo lingren. there are 27...
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in the last debate, no, he does not plan a tax cut but he says he plans a tax cut -- a 20% tax cut across the board. there are a number of ways -- i've witnessed once when mitt romney once said he was pro gay adoption. and the very next day he said he was staunchly against it. so, to call someone out on their mistruthings and lies, that's not poor sportsmanship. that's like saying someone who entered a race who was doping and you call them on doping, you know, is guilty of poor sportsmanship. the person who is guilty is the person who is cheating. >> yes, indeed. ken, mr. romney tells wolf blitzer that will be a preference, in his words, for home mortgage deduction and charitable contribution, so to make up for the tax cuts, what ducks will go away? have you found them? >> this has been a great challenge of covering the campaign where there isn't -- >> this is a bigger mystery than the loch ness monster, no one can find them. >> that's one thing democrats will press him on. they've tried with a high degree -- to point out that is not -- the math is not working here, that's one of the thin
in the last debate, no, he does not plan a tax cut but he says he plans a tax cut -- a 20% tax cut across the board. there are a number of ways -- i've witnessed once when mitt romney once said he was pro gay adoption. and the very next day he said he was staunchly against it. so, to call someone out on their mistruthings and lies, that's not poor sportsmanship. that's like saying someone who entered a race who was doping and you call them on doping, you know, is guilty of poor sportsmanship....
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if you're part of the republican consensus that says no new taxes even for the wealthiest americans, how in the world do you pay for that, and what does that 4% of gdp towards defense that we don't need, what does that do to our deficit? after all the foundation of our national security is our economic security and we have to remember that. >> thanks for your time tonight, michele. i'd like to have you back another night. >> thanks. i would be happy to do that. >> we'll be right back. [ mother bear ] you're not using too much are you, hon? [ female announcer ] charmin ultra soft is so soft you'll have to remind your family they can use less. it's made with extra cushions that are soft and more absorbent. plus you can use four times less. charmin ultra soft. >>> in election season, pundits follow the campaigns, but political scientists don't necessarily follow the campaigns. some of them instead follow this. one of the lousier determinist theories holds it doesn't matter how much the candidates are, it's really the price of gas that determines who wins the election. this theory has ba
if you're part of the republican consensus that says no new taxes even for the wealthiest americans, how in the world do you pay for that, and what does that 4% of gdp towards defense that we don't need, what does that do to our deficit? after all the foundation of our national security is our economic security and we have to remember that. >> thanks for your time tonight, michele. i'd like to have you back another night. >> thanks. i would be happy to do that. >> we'll be...
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tax cut unless you give the tax cut for the super wealthy. it is about time they take some responsibility. >> joe and i are from similar towns. do you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today? 10%. that is how is going all around america. >> that is not how it is going. it is going down. >> did they inherit a tough situation? absolutely. but we're going in the wrong direction. the economy is barely limping along. it's growing at 1.3%. job growth in september was slower than it was in august and august was slower than it was in july. we're heading in the wrong direction. 23 million americans are struggling for work. 15% of americans are living in poverty. this is not what a real recovery looks like. we need real reforms for a real recovery. that is exactly what we are proposing. get america energy independent by the end of the decade. get this deficit and debt under control. make trade work for america. champion small businesses, do not raise taxes on small businesses. they are our job creators. he talks about detroit. mitt romney
tax cut unless you give the tax cut for the super wealthy. it is about time they take some responsibility. >> joe and i are from similar towns. do you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today? 10%. that is how is going all around america. >> that is not how it is going. it is going down. >> did they inherit a tough situation? absolutely. but we're going in the wrong direction. the economy is barely limping along. it's growing at 1.3%. job growth in september was...
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when you take that with state income tax and payroll tax and real-estate taxes and gasoline taxes, all together that means small business that are highly successful will end up giving more of what they have the government. that will kill jobs. i do not want to kill jobs. my priority is to create jobs, and i will do that with everything i can do. we can do better. we do not have to stay on the path we have been on. there was a report that came out this morning on job creation this last month. there were fewer new jobs created this month than last month. the unemployment rate has come down very slowly, but it has come down nonetheless. the reason it has come down this year is due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work. if you drop out of the workforce, give up and say i cannot go back to work, i will stay home, if you drop out altogether, you're no longer part of the statistics. it looks like unemployment is getting better, but if the same share of people were participating in the workforce today as on day the president got elected, unemployment would be
when you take that with state income tax and payroll tax and real-estate taxes and gasoline taxes, all together that means small business that are highly successful will end up giving more of what they have the government. that will kill jobs. i do not want to kill jobs. my priority is to create jobs, and i will do that with everything i can do. we can do better. we do not have to stay on the path we have been on. there was a report that came out this morning on job creation this last month....
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if you're part of the republican consensus that says no new taxes even for the wealthiest americans, how in the world do you pay for that, and what does that 4% of gdp towards defense that we don't need, what does that do to our deficit? after all the foundation of our national security is our economic security and we have to remember that. >> thanks for your time tonight, michele. i'd like to have you back another night. >> thanks. i would be happy to do that. >> we'll be right back. so you say men are superior drivers? yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. ok. [ voice of dennis ] silence. are you in good hands? [ male announcer ] start with nothing, build a ground-breaking car. good. now build a time machine. go here, find someone who can build a futuristic dash board display. bring future guy back. watch him build a tft display like nothing you've ever seen. get him to explain exactly what that is. the thin film transistor display... [ male announcer ] mmm, maybe not. just show
if you're part of the republican consensus that says no new taxes even for the wealthiest americans, how in the world do you pay for that, and what does that 4% of gdp towards defense that we don't need, what does that do to our deficit? after all the foundation of our national security is our economic security and we have to remember that. >> thanks for your time tonight, michele. i'd like to have you back another night. >> thanks. i would be happy to do that. >> we'll be...
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he doesn't want to cut wall street, he wants to not hurt the rich people when it comes to taxes and he wants to beat up on big bird. what governor romney says, you saw him pivot again today, he says well, thas just one example but you have to give examples and you have to start making choices. we have to review everything and we can't keep from china. it helps both of them. conservatives love to hear their candidate beating up on pbs, on government subsidies, saying i'm going to look at everything and cut, and if you're obama and trying to reach those moderate suburban women and keep them with you, their children probably watch big bird. >> gloria, john king, thank you very much. let us know what you think. we're on facebook. follow me on twitter. i'm tweeting in this hour. >>> up next, an exclusive interview with mitt romney. wolf blitzer sat down with him, asked him what president obama did not about the now famous hidden video in which mr. romney writes off the 47%. >> i'm curious, governor, how did that evolution in your thinking go on from the initial reaction, once that tape came
he doesn't want to cut wall street, he wants to not hurt the rich people when it comes to taxes and he wants to beat up on big bird. what governor romney says, you saw him pivot again today, he says well, thas just one example but you have to give examples and you have to start making choices. we have to review everything and we can't keep from china. it helps both of them. conservatives love to hear their candidate beating up on pbs, on government subsidies, saying i'm going to look at...
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all the old argument, how much of his tax deductions cover his tax deductions. boring. >> it's got to be about where are the mortgage -- where are the tax deductions you're going to get rid of, for example, on taxes? i think that's important for -- >> they won't tell you. >> then they've got to say -- >> he's already said he's not going to -- >> the other big thing is medicare. >> grandma on that bus searching around town trying to -- >> that's what i want to know. 80-year-old grandma on a bus to buy anything let alone to get a health insurance program that meets her budget given to her by paul ryan. >> and i agree with you also, chris. if they talk about the tax thing too much in the context of deficit reduction, it doesn't help them because that's not the president's strongest turf. >> i know i ask you all of the great questions because you're a great reporter. it sounds like you're saying that the vice president will not go for the kill. he won't nail them on the 47%, nail them on vouchers, nail him on the emergency rooms. will he do that? >> no. look, i had
all the old argument, how much of his tax deductions cover his tax deductions. boring. >> it's got to be about where are the mortgage -- where are the tax deductions you're going to get rid of, for example, on taxes? i think that's important for -- >> they won't tell you. >> then they've got to say -- >> he's already said he's not going to -- >> the other big thing is medicare. >> grandma on that bus searching around town trying to -- >> that's what i...